1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:27,600 The picture you're watching now is coming to you out of thin air. 2 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:32,720 You can't see the signals that transmit television, but you can tune into them. 3 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,520 A century ago the whole idea would have been extremely far-fetched. 4 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:41,240 But if we can accept the idea now, should we laugh when some people say their brains 5 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:46,680 can tune into other wavelengths which are invisible, but all around us? 6 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:51,400 Tonight two stories in which people set out to follow up psychic signals, told through 7 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,040 interview and drama reconstruction. 8 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,960 We'll follow a group of Americans as they visit the town where they say they lived in 9 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,000 former lives. 10 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:05,680 But first a woman of our times who's success rate rivals the professional crime busters. 11 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,720 Her clues come only from psychic communications, but sometimes she says she's contacted the 12 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:18,640 police before even they know about a crime. 13 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,160 Nella Jones is a psychic detective. 14 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,360 She says she can see crimes. 15 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:34,560 These help to solve dozens of frauds, kidnappings and even murders. 16 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,480 Nella has worked mainly with the country's biggest police force, the Metropolitan Police 17 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:39,720 in London. 18 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:44,120 They refuse to talk openly about their use of psychic detectives, but Nella has a secret 19 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:49,200 letter of commendation from a senior officer. 20 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,240 How I do it is very difficult to explain. 21 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,880 It's just if you have an itchy ear you'll scratch it. 22 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:03,400 If I'm involved with a crime I look at it and I solve it. 23 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,400 That's the best way I can describe it. 24 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:12,640 Now detectives who've left the police have blown the whistle on Nella's links with them. 25 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:14,120 I don't know how Nella does it. 26 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,120 She helps police an awful lot. 27 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:23,200 She tells police things that possibly they wouldn't know through their normal inquiries. 28 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,840 All I know is she helps us. 29 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,640 There's no doubt whatsoever that Nella found clues that we couldn't find. 30 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:34,920 I don't know how she did it, but she did. 31 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:39,200 Detective Inspector Jim Bays was at the centre of what is undoubtedly Nella's greatest case 32 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,200 to date. 33 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:45,800 A £2 million painting, the guitar player by Vermeer, had been stolen from Kenwood House, 34 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,480 an art gallery on London's Hampstead Heath. 35 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,720 Nobody had a clue who'd taken it, neither the police nor the painting's owners, the 36 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,200 old Greater London Council. 37 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,560 Was it avatars, a group of drunks who'd got in there, somebody had stolen it, they might 38 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,880 not know what to do with it, they tried to sell it, they might destroy it. 39 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:10,240 I was doing the ironing on this Sunday evening and only half listening to the television, 40 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,160 I was trying to rush with the ironing. 41 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,680 The pressure by the deaf starters of Vermeer was stolen when thieves broke into Kenwood 42 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:16,680 House slave last night. 43 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,880 The building is on Hampstead Heath, but people are likely to have been around at the time. 44 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:25,560 The police have launched a full scale hunt across the 800 acres of Heathland. 45 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,280 Art experts are anxious for the safety of the picture, which is valued at around £2 46 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,560 million, as yet there's little clue of who might have taken it or why. 47 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:33,560 I put the iron down. 48 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,960 Kenwood's owners, the Greater London Council, say they are stunned by the theft of such 49 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,480 a well known painting, and they are working with the police for its safe recovery. 50 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,360 They've appealed for any one of the information on the theft to come forward. 51 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,880 I hadn't got a clue what it meant at the time, but I thought, what should I do with 52 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:49,880 it? 53 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,560 I didn't feel big headed or anything like that, but I just knew. 54 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,840 So I thought I've got to do something. 55 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,920 So I rang Scotland Yard at first. 56 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,040 I took the first call from Nella and it's the first call I've ever had from a psychic 57 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,040 on any case. 58 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,320 I've got some information on the Kenwood House robbery. 59 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:07,720 Who are you, madam? 60 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,720 Well, I'm a psychic, actually. 61 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,720 My name's Nella Jones. 62 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,120 I see. 63 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,080 And what is it you want to tell us exactly? 64 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:20,760 Well, I've had this vision in my head and I'm drawn a map where you'll find some clues 65 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,640 as to the whereabouts of the picture. 66 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:32,200 My first reaction was to get the scissors and I thought, I hope she's not a crank. 67 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,920 She was insistent that she must come and help us to find the painting. 68 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,240 Can we take your number and we'll get back to you? 69 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,400 I thought that they thought I was in that case and I was waiting for the little van 70 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,160 to come and take me away. 71 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,120 Jim Bay spoke to a fellow detective. 72 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:48,640 And she says she's never been here before. 73 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,240 Well, we had a discussion. 74 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,360 We decided that as we had nothing else to go on, we'd get to try it. 75 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,960 Well, I mean, you should have heard her. 76 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,080 She was really insistent. 77 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,160 I reckon we should get her in. 78 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:00,160 Yeah. 79 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,560 The two detectives took Nella to the scene of the crime, Kenwood House. 80 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,320 Now they discover whether she really could find anything. 81 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,560 I'd never been there before in my life. 82 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,520 I'd never heard of the painting or the artist or anything. 83 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,320 When I was there, I knew exactly where I had to go. 84 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,440 Something to do with the painting is in there. 85 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,760 OK, Nella, you lead and we'll follow. 86 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:20,760 I shouldn't deviate. 87 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,960 She went straight to the pond. 88 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,280 It's as if she was drawn there. 89 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:30,320 Getting closer and closer, I had this fantastic sensation. 90 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,040 And down by this smelly pond... 91 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:34,040 I know. 92 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,040 ...stopped dead. 93 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,040 I'm going in. 94 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,240 Nella took off her shoes and I remember she hitched up her skirt 95 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,400 and she walked into the pond. 96 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,560 The detectives watched incredulously. 97 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:51,720 He bent down and came up with something that was under a couple of feet of water 98 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:52,720 and she held it up. 99 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,120 Got it! 100 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,600 It was part of an alarm system attached to the back of the painting. 101 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,120 The police were stunned. 102 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,840 Despite all their searching, this was the closest they'd come to the picture 103 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:06,040 and it had taken a psychic to find it. 104 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,960 They were absolutely astonished. 105 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,840 There could only be two answers. 106 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:14,240 She was either involved in the theft or she was indeed psychic. 107 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:15,840 But Nella hadn't finished yet. 108 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:18,720 She led the officers on the route that she claimed the actual thieves 109 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,880 were taken when running away from the art gallery. 110 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:22,880 They went through here. 111 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,720 Took her wrong turn and panicked because you lot were here. 112 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:32,200 I feel either pain, fear, elation, 113 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:38,880 whatever the victim or the villains have felt, I feel it. 114 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:39,880 I felt the panic. 115 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,800 I felt as if I were running. 116 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,840 I was being chased and I had to get away. 117 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:49,880 That's what I felt so I knew exactly where I was going. 118 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,280 Where Nella said the thieves had run into the undergrowth, 119 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:57,200 the detectives found bushes wrecked. 120 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:03,760 She was hot on the trail. 121 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:08,200 I then told them about the second cross which was down a windy lane. 122 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,520 There were some railings around some trees. 123 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:22,480 And over there I knew the frame was. 124 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,160 In the space of a morning, Nella had found part of the alarm system, 125 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,560 the thieves escape route and now the frame which had held the painting. 126 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:35,160 She was fast becoming a prime suspect herself. 127 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,000 The officer in charge of the case wanted Nella arrested. 128 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,360 He was convinced that as a result of all she appeared to know, 129 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,200 she must be involved in the theft. 130 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,360 Well done, Nelle. 131 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:47,360 When did you put it there? 132 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:48,360 The frame? 133 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:49,360 I thought, righty. 134 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,360 I think I've done it. 135 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,400 You know, so it was a bit scary. 136 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,640 It was all in my head. 137 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,640 Her background and her alibi's were checked very, very thoroughly. 138 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,640 And it became obvious that she wasn't involved in the theft in any way whatsoever. 139 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,640 I think I've known this all the time in my heart. 140 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:11,640 But my head said, you must investigate her. 141 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:16,640 So if Nella doesn't have inside information, how does she know so much? 142 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:22,640 Could it be a psychic version of methods developed by forensic scientists like Mike Berry? 143 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,880 He said he's climbed to work out typical patterns of criminal behaviour. 144 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,880 I think what's happened with the psychic detectives, they're doing the same. 145 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,880 They're saying, here is behaviour that isn't as random as it looks. 146 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,880 You can predict that somebody breaks into a house and they're trying to dispose of evidence. 147 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,880 They're going to throw it somewhere where they can hide it. 148 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:45,880 A lake is a very sensible place to hide incriminating material. 149 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,880 But does that explain what Nella came up with next? 150 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,880 She says that she saw where the painting was hidden. 151 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,880 And anyone would have suspected. 152 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,880 Nella Jones, look, I've had another vision. 153 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,880 I know where the picture is. 154 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,880 It's in somewhere quiet, a graveyard. 155 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:09,880 The detectives decided Nella was describing Highgate Cemetery, the one nearest Kenwood House. 156 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,880 So they took her there. 157 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,880 We searched Highgate Cemetery on several occasions with Nella, but we never found anything. 158 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,880 It looked as if Nella had finally run out of useful psychic clues. 159 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,880 But then the burglary took a sinister twist. 160 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,880 It emerged this was not the work of ordinary thieves. 161 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,880 The IRA had stolen the painting. 162 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:33,880 And as ransom notes began to arrive, the hunt became a race against time. 163 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,880 We were concerned when we found out that the IRA had stolen the painting. 164 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:43,880 Suddenly it became very stark and very realistic that something very nasty could happen. 165 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,880 I predicted after that every letter they would receive, 166 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,880 one in particular with a piece of canvas in it, which they did receive. 167 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,880 The threats, the painting would be burned on St Patrick's night and I said, no, it won't. 168 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,880 It would be perfectly safe. 169 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,880 And you'll find it in a cemetery, as I have said all the way along. 170 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,880 An anonymous tip-off led detectives not to Highgate, but another cemetery a few miles away, 171 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,880 where lying under some leaves was what looked like a rolled up newspaper. 172 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,880 Inside was the missing masterpiece, Vermeer's guitar player. 173 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,880 Nella's role in its recovery was never officially recognized, 174 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,880 but the officers involved will never forget what she did. 175 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,880 I've known of many occasions where psychics have been used. 176 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,880 It hasn't been publicized. 177 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,880 It never will be publicized, but they have been used. 178 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,880 But Nella Jones was of course sent a letter by the Metropolitan Police and this is it. 179 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:50,880 To quote, it is a mark of your abilities that the police turned to you for help time and time again. 180 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,880 Ever been somewhere for the first time and felt sure you'd been there before? 181 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,880 Met someone and thought you'd met them before? 182 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,880 Had a dream of living another life in another time? 183 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,880 Your imagination running wild or could it really have happened? 184 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,880 Reincarnation is probably mankind's oldest belief. 185 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:24,880 About half the world's population including Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs accept reincarnation as a fact. 186 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,880 And it was only abandoned by the Christian religion in the 6th century. 187 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:34,880 People who remember past lives almost always tell of violent or untimely deaths. 188 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,880 And recent research has shown that the wounds they describe often match birthmarks. 189 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:47,880 A group of people in America are convinced that they are reincarnations of the inhabitants of a small town on the other side of the continent. 190 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:53,880 Their story dates back to the American Civil War, to old lives that have gone with the wind. 191 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,880 There were my memories of her death. 192 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,880 I think this just can't be Maureen. This is not occurring Maureen. 193 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,880 And who's Becky? What is this? What's going on? 194 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:08,880 I was leaving the hypnotherapist and I stopped my car, did it in the road. 195 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,880 Maureen Williamson couldn't forget or understand the images in her mind. 196 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:18,880 I cried, I shook. Here I am. I'm a down to earth mother. I'm a newspaper reporter. 197 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:23,880 And all of a sudden I'm referring to a life that happened over 135 years ago. 198 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:29,880 She was so worried that she consulted psychiatrists, but it was only under hypnosis that she found answers. 199 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:32,880 Like the name that wouldn't go away. 200 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:37,880 Who is John Daniel Ashford? He's my husband. 201 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,880 What year is it? 202 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,880 1861. 203 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,880 What's going on? 204 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,880 There's a war. 205 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:53,880 So then I ascertained from more questioning that we were in this little town in Virginia, Millboro, 206 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,880 and that it was the era that was that of the American Civil War. 207 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,880 Maureen had made what was to be the first of many links between past and present. 208 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:07,880 She described her life as Becky, wife of John Daniel Ashford, who she said was a wartime spy. 209 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:17,880 For the majority of the marriage it was a very happy one, but the war had taken a terrible, terrible toll on the country. 210 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:25,880 Becky's sympathies lay very firmly with the South, but Becky was aware that her husband did have sympathies 211 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,880 for the North. 212 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:36,880 Several lifetimes on and 1,800 miles away in Lake Elsinore, California, Maureen's visions then began to involve other local people. 213 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,880 She came out of the trance and she announced casually, I saw Joe back there. 214 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:45,880 I said, well who's Joe? Well Joe Nazarowski, he has a security office down on Main Street. 215 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,880 Joe had no idea that any of this was going on. 216 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:54,880 Maureen made up an excuse to persuade Joe, an ex-police chief, to see the hypnotherapist. 217 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:59,880 Before Joe came in to see me, he had no knowledge of what was going on, of what his role was in it. 218 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,880 He was very surprised when he found out and very skeptical. 219 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,880 But Maureen hadn't picked out the reincarnation of her husband. 220 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:12,880 Under hypnosis, Joe Nazarowski became Charlie Morgan, like her husband, a spy, but for the other side. 221 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,880 And there was a bigger shock to come. 222 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:20,880 Becky and I are lovers. She comes to visit me in the boarding house where I live. 223 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:26,880 When I found out that Maureen had related pretty much the same story that I related, I was amazed. 224 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,880 That was that close. 225 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,880 The story was getting like some sort of novel. 226 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:41,880 And as Dr. Marge Reader began gathering groups together, she found over 50 people who claimed to have lived together in former lives in Milborough during the American Civil War. 227 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,880 Their separate accounts all seemed to tie in. 228 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:49,880 But the key to the story, Becky's husband, John Daniel Ashford, remained missing. 229 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,880 Until one night, Marge was out with a friend. 230 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,880 My God, my God, it's John! What? 231 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,880 It looks exactly like him. 232 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:03,880 I had this overpowering sensation of recognition. 233 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,880 I got kind of a bolt of electricity through my body. 234 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:12,880 Building worker Pat Green thought the claims were ridiculous. He refused to get involved. 235 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,880 When I was told that I was this John Daniel Ashford, I couldn't believe it. 236 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,880 I didn't want any part of it. I wasn't going to let them hypnotize me. 237 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,880 It took about three years for them to finally persuade me. 238 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,880 He's a very difficult subject. He fights it. 239 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:34,880 But however reluctantly, Pat Green did feel something. And to his amazement, his story fitted the others. 240 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:40,880 I came up with something that really made me feel that there's more to this than I thought. 241 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:47,880 Marge showed me an old photograph of Milborough and I picked out this particular house. 242 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,880 My feelings are that there is a hidden room underneath it. 243 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:58,880 And in a smaller house on the same property, there's a trap door that leads to a tunnel. 244 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:04,880 It was information which would change Pat's mind. But was he too falling victim to a grand fantasy? 245 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,880 It's got a big burn next to it, hasn't it? 246 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,880 This is a kind of cooperative play that is being enacted. 247 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:17,880 I think hypnosis is very unreliable. There is no accurate record in the memory. 248 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:24,880 It's the hypnotist who believes in this, that implants suggestions in the subject. 249 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,880 Or are the memories real? 250 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:33,880 I would not allow Marge to prompt me at any time or give me any suggestions. 251 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:38,880 If it doesn't come out of my head, I don't want to say it. 252 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,880 Under hypnosis, Diana Lovegren became Becky's six-year-old daughter, Elizabeth. 253 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:49,880 When she asked me who my mother was, that's when I saw it in an instant. And I was just freaked out. 254 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:54,880 The whole thing was flashing before my eyes. Horrible, horrible. 255 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,880 Finally, all the stories Dr. Marge, Rita Heard, were adding up. 256 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:04,880 She worked out that John Daniel Ashford knew Charlie Morgan was working for the other side in the Civil War. 257 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:09,880 His fears were then raised when he found out that Charlie was seeing a local woman. 258 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:21,880 He felt that the information might be going the other way. So he ordered her killed, not knowing that that particular lady was his wife. 259 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,880 Morning, Mrs. Ashford. 260 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,880 And now Maureen Williamson knew what her nightmares meant. 261 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,880 The feeling during the regression was, no, I don't want to go. 262 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:39,880 It's day for a walk. You'll be coming with me. 263 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:47,880 And then the next thing I remember is that I was in the barn. And in the barn is where I saw the struggle. 264 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,880 No, no, stop, no, no. 265 00:17:50,880 --> 00:18:00,880 I watched them and they fought and they fought. And somehow he hit her and she went down. 266 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:09,880 And then he just got up and ran off. But I stayed where I was. I knew she wasn't going to get up. I knew it. 267 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:16,880 Diana says she was still there when her father came in and discovered her mother's body. 268 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:22,880 So have the people of Milborough really been reincarnated together? Or is there another reason for it all? 269 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:35,880 Cryptonegia is an explanation. This is past memory. In other words, you read novels, you see films, and then under a relaxed situation with a hypnotist, you come forth with the story. 270 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:45,880 Whatever the theory is, the only way to prove the story was for Dr. Marge Reader to take the main characters to the half-abandoned town of Milborough for the first time, in this life at least. 271 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:52,880 Would it be as they described? And would they be able to prove the detailed knowledge they come up with under hypnosis? 272 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,880 There is a thing that goes down that you can possibly find. 273 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:01,880 Marge took this videotape as Maureen and Joe revisited the haunts of Becky and Charlie. 274 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:06,880 Every time we turned the corner we found something that they had talked about in hypnosis. 275 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:15,880 This is the main street through Milborough. There used to be a saloon and tavern, boarding houses upstairs. 276 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:21,880 Joe had described the red boarding house as white, so were his memories false. 277 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,880 You can see now that it's red, but you can see the underpainting is white. 278 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:31,880 Then Marge tried an experiment. First she took Joe to find the room where he'd stayed in his previous life. 279 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,880 Next she took Maureen. Would she choose the same room? 280 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,880 That's it, that's the one he said. This room is his. 281 00:19:54,880 --> 00:20:01,880 These seemed like minor details to the majority of the population, but to us they were just terrific. 282 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:08,880 Maureen began digging where she says Becky's house was. She found what appeared to be a fence post. 283 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,880 That was a thrill to see that, to know that I was accurate. 284 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,880 But all this isn't enough to convince Rick Armstrong, author of six books on Milborough's history. 285 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:28,880 The buildings in Milborough are quite old, but it's hard to date them, so it's uncertain if they were there during the Civil War period. 286 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:38,880 As far as John Daniel Ashford and Becky Ashford, the constable was not named Ashford at that time. 287 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:46,880 And her murder was a sensational thing, however it does not appear in any newspapers or any court records. 288 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:55,880 But one piece of evidence was unearthed to make historians think again when a fire destroyed the house where Pat Green supposedly remembered an underground room. 289 00:20:55,880 --> 00:21:07,880 The owner dug out and found an actual room that was underneath where the house had been, and also found the door in the floor and the tunnel that led to this room. 290 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:16,880 This whole area with the tracks, in my mind I had pictured something just like this. 291 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:27,880 This house, or a house like this, that bridge, and it's here. How do you explain that? 292 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,880 This is weird, because I'm in the creeps. 293 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:36,880 I have faced the fears that I've had. I wasn't looking so much for the truth to the story. 294 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:43,880 What I was looking for was my soul. 295 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:52,880 Maureen Williamson's present life has mirrored her past memories. She's now married to one of the Milborough characters, and this time she's hoping for a happy ending. 296 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:58,880 And those are our stories. Whatever you feel about people who claim psychic powers, let me show you this. 297 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:06,880 This was made in Victorian times, and it maps out different areas of the brain. Power of will, agreeableness and knowing faculties. 298 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:14,880 These days we know much more. Scans can clearly show which areas of the brain are active, when for example we work out a sum, or when we sing. 299 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:23,880 But still, nobody knows how the brain works, or what, ultimately, it might be capable of. Good night. 300 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:33,880 Thank you for watching.